Riker's awesome but got alot more to do and to become in his respective shows/movies, while Sulu on the other hand has potential I always loved the idea of Sulu and the Excelsior, also moving in a direction away from picard amd the new shows would be great
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Batman and Robin might be the more tonally consistent film of the two, but the best scenes in Batman and Robin are never as good as the best scenes in Batman Forever in my opinion. I also think Batman Forever just tells a better Batman story overall.
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Batman Forever is more balanced and less awkward, but both are better stories than Batman Returns and actually about Batman.
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Batman Forever is obviously the better film because, for all its faults, it's at least trying to be about Batman's character. Batman & Robin is nothing but a feature-length toy commercial. B&R even steals most of its plot from Forever.
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No way, "Batman Forever" is definitely the better movie of the 2! This is not to say I even dislike "Batman & Robin," as I see it as a harmless flick. However, "Forever" places Batman in the center of the story, executes a well-done Robin origin, and offers up a great Riddler! "Forever" is a blast!
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I don’t think I have to explain anything for this. Batman and Robin is, at least I think, the worst Batman movie. It’s stupid, doesn’t really have a plot, and Batman Forever just is a better movie overall.
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Because Baan Forever is actually trying trying be a movie about Bruce Wayne's psychology. The first movie to attempt this. Sure Begins would do it better but no other attempt was made before this. Also the tone, costumes and style are so much better. B&R is just a childish rehash
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The one thing I can appreciate about Forever is the decent attempt and mostly successful character study of Bruce. It's actually the first film before Begins where Bruce is the protagonist. Kilmers performance is underrated too. That's the one thing that makes it better for me.
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While I can enjoy B&R for the reason of it knowing how stupid it is, Forever though has genuinely well done ideas, concepts, set pieces, with it feeling like an early 70s Batman comic book
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At least Batman & Robin doesn’t have the crushing weight of failed ambition on it. I feel like at some point (very early on in its writing process) there was a good version of Batman Forever. As it exists, Batman Forever is more frustrating to me than the completely integrity-free Batman & Robin.
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Not because it's stupid. I find this movie to have a beautiful Bruce/Alfred relationship, a solid arc for Bruce in him having to trust others for help, let go of trying to control things. I may think BF technically a better movie, but this has a stronger Bruce and Alfred elements.
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If we assume Arnie and Jim Carey cancel each other out. Uma Thurman is much better in her role than Tommie Lee Jones and for that reason I’d say Batman and Robin is more watchable
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Batman & Robin may follow the structure laid by Forever (which was itself following Returns’ absent structure), but Schumacher’s second Bat-flick is the only 90’s Batman sequel that has an identifiable central plot.
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The Batman because I like how he goes through an arc from focusing on vengeance to being a symbol of hope. It shows the contrast to what batman was like in his early days and what he'll become. In Begins after he returns to Gotham he knows what he wants to achieve and doesn't change from that
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Batman Begins is more of an origin story. I like more of Batman’s early days, but not, like, his first day ever. And I think this movie is less boring. It’s my favorite Batman movie ever.
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I think this movie moreso had an engaging personality for Bruce & a engaging interesting look (even if I feel like later movies didn't have it look as engaging) world around him. I feel like almost all the characters work more in this movie than The Batman.
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If you did it right, it would be great, but if you did something stupid like set it in the Picard universe, it would be awful.
ReplyI don't like Riker, but at least he's straight.
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