Should severe violators of stay-at-home orders be arrested?
Waira Asked by Waira
6,998 Votes

Should severe violators of stay-at-home orders be arrested?

I think so..

62

Not justified..

47

I think so..

37 Comments
Aleen Smith
4
Aleen Smith

They put others at risk. Not okay.

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Devonjdoyle
2
Devonjdoyle

Because it is severe violations not just violations

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Keegan McGinnis
1
Keegan McGinnis

They endanger everyone else and should be held accountable for that. They should be charged with manslaughter. This needs to be taken seriously, especially by the president, who is encouraging this!

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Tuan Anh Tran
1
Tuan Anh Tran

No point if the world pandemic is playing around.

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Sam Murphy
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Sam Murphy

therere people DYING unless u HAVE to see another person, they should be punished This is a serious situation and I know people who have lost loved ones and couldn’t even say goodbye bc of ignorance.

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super unicum
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super unicum

Because this pandemic is serious, we need to stop the spread, it's unfair to the people who stay home and see others still going out.

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john rathsam
1
john rathsam

I think they should be arrested because violators are pretty much lengthening a pandemic and are killing people in a way.

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Marveth Lovina
1
Marveth Lovina

They are not only risking themselves but others too. Contagion is fast and invisible.

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Will Daugherty
1
Will Daugherty

People should be locked up and their assets sold and proceeds donated to the ATF, DEA, and FBI. We should also burn the Constitution, including its amendments, because that’s the only it’s legal.

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selvin Garcia
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selvin Garcia

Some people aren’t taking this serious. This is very serious! You could be infected and not know it. The more people out, the more time we’ll have to be stuck indoors.

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Fruity McMuffin
1
Fruity McMuffin

people who have the balls to just go out and take a dump on everyone else’s efforts to do their part is inexcusable. These people are making this whole ordeal more drawn out for ALL of us.

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Tanson Take
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Tanson Take

The virus would not spread faster if we just stayed in our homes. Like I understand the need to go to work but walking around outside for fun come on man

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nicolas camacho
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nicolas camacho

We need to stop the virus. Think about everybody else around you. Be a hero. Stay home

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Doctor Piggy
1
Doctor Piggy

Drastic times call for drastic measures. Some people are selfish enough to care more about their enjoyment than the well-being of others. We need to put an end to this so that we can solve this issue.

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Anna Brewster
1
Anna Brewster

I think the only way to get over this quickly is if everyone listens. People not listening are being selfish and there needs to be consequences or it just won’t make a difference.

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Soph Calese
0
Soph Calese

They may not care themselves. But they know that they could be putting others (especially with compromised health) in danger by helping to spread the virus when violating quarantine rules

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David Gardner
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David Gardner

Although it's really nice to get out and spend time with people, what's a higher priorty: Your personal wants or lowering the risk of people catching this virus thay are more likely to die from it?

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Thomas Morey
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Thomas Morey

This entire situation is a crisis that will only be solved if we all work together. Every single person on the planet, or someone they love, has a pre-existing condition making COVID-19 lethal to them

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M3rc
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M3rc

Because we need to be protecting our people of this country the best we can. Yes it’s a right to be able to go into public, however in this circumstance there are certain measures that we need to take

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Anthony Yearego
0
Anthony Yearego

Bc there being stupid there gonna spread it more like I hate being at home all the time so damn much but our lives are more important!!!!

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Omar Hoyos
0
Omar Hoyos

Human life is more valuable than money

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Julius Briscoe
0
Julius Briscoe

They’re endangering everyone around them, especially the extremely young, old, and immunocompromised. They’re glorified new wave anti-vaxxers

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lol okay
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lol okay

they put other people’s lives at risk for seeing friends, or unneeded activities. people are having to leave their dying mother or father, or CHILDREN in the hospital by themselves to die.

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Claire
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Claire

Reckless endangerment, includes this i think because they are are bienf irresponsible In risk of other people lives but we might not have have enough jail space considering there is so many violator

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anthony reyes
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anthony reyes

Because it is not only endangering yourself but endangering others and this will only lead to more infection. People need to stop being self centered, selfish, and entitled. This bigger than everyone.

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Diego Galicia
0
Diego Galicia

They should be arrested, name taken down, and then sent home, if they violate it again, they they get jail

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Chris Ammann
0
Chris Ammann

It’s for people’s health and safety. Being in New York and seeing the amount of death that took place and how it’s being managed through social distancing, it shows the positive impacts of distancing.

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Fay Kern
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Fay Kern

It really depends on the situation, if they’re out all day and ignoring the stay at home order all together then yes

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James Bond
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James Bond

Anyone violating the orders is spreading the disease, which leads to more people being infected, more deaths, and a longer stay at home order

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Mememan
0
Mememan

They are knowingly endangering themselves and those around them, isn’t that technically assault

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XYourEpicFailX1
0
XYourEpicFailX1

These people are disobeying a goverment order, and endangering other people, therefore by disobeying a goverment order they are defying the law. and by endangering people is almost like terrosism

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Ryan Krasowski
Ryan Krasowski

A Gov’t order is a far stretch from a law. They could be fined, but never arrested

Joyce Cortez
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Joyce Cortez

honestly everything would go back to normal if these people stopped going outside.. punishing them for things they shouldn’t be doing? justifiable enough.

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Alexander Romanov
0
Alexander Romanov

This is why, if a person is robbing a bank then they are putting those hostages in danger, and if you replace the bank robbing scenario with people with covid then they are putting people in danger

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Big Meech
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Big Meech

America is in a state of emergency, these stay at home orders are put in place for a good reason, and those who violate them not only put themselves at risk, but all those they come into contact with

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oh worm
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oh worm

They’re putting themselves and other people at risk by refusing to stay home. Their actions are selfish and could spread the disease further, which could kill someone and cause them to be responsible.

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Filore Umarjan
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Filore Umarjan

People are just too selfish and not Cooperating with the rest who is trying to Cooperate. It’s not fair for the rest. Should teach them a lesson.

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Ari Leon
0
Ari Leon

Putting the public at risk

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Not justified..

42 Comments
Jake Soelberg
3
Jake Soelberg

It against the Constitution. We have the freedom to peacefully assemble even during a pandemic. It isn’t up to the government to go against the constitution

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lol okay
lol okay

we may have freedoms but people are having to be left in the hospital to die alone because of how serious this illness is. don’t be stupid.

Tim Barber
2
Tim Barber

Not the government's place.

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nathan rybner
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nathan rybner

Because we live in a free country, American blood wasn’t spilled fighting nazis and communists for their authoritarian beliefs to reign supreme over the US in a “crisis”.

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Salem Bond
1
Salem Bond

We should recommend that people stay home but when forced is when it becomes unconstitutional. When that happens more will choose not to follow the stay at home order.

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Paul Kaminski
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Paul Kaminski

It’s a violation of many rights you are entitled to. It might be reckless but it isn’t illegal and you shouldn’t be arrested for it or fined as that would probably promote the gov’t to limit rights

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Alex Boreman
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Alex Boreman

If the government can take our freedoms every time they say there’s an emergency, then we have permissions, not freedoms.

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Driftforce YT
Driftforce YT

It’s a pandemic, the government has the right to keep people indoors. It’s also the people’s responsibility to stay home to slow the spread of a lethal virus.

Todd TAFT
1
Todd TAFT

The whole quarantine is BS. How about we actually quarantine the people at risk? Elderly, people with existing health issues, ect. Let the healthy who won't die get infected to build up antibodies.

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Austin Wills
Austin Wills

There is no evidence that people will develop immunity once infected with the virus and recovered. And there are plenty of people who don't even realize that they are immunocompromised.

dan bob
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dan bob

These “orders” are absolutely unconstitutional and a crime in and of itself. This reaction to COVID-19 only goes to show how much of our freedom the government can take with only a little fear. 💯🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

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Cringe Crewism 101
Cringe Crewism 101

It’s because a lot of America is stupid and don’t know there rights. Probably 50% of the people hear have the same mind as cardi b

James Bond
James Bond

2,000,000+ cases and about 150K deaths is not a little bit of fear. That’s a pandemic, and it will play out as it did during the Bubonic Plague, the Cholera Outbreak, and the Spanish Flu

Maaster El-Guarto
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Maaster El-Guarto

It’s like freedom of assembly. Also, like, it’s their choice.

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James Bond
James Bond

Everyone is so full of themselves with “freedom this” and “freedom that” that you ignore the fact that some things have to be taken away for the safety of humanity

Rebecca Wright
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Rebecca Wright

Go catch real criminals and stop violating Constitutional rights to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness... so stated in Constitution. STOP BEING THE NAZI GESTAPO!!

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Thenick hood
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Thenick hood

The government is not a parent figure and my rights don’t stop existing because of a “crisis” me going outside only puts you at risk if you are outside as well so if you’re worried about it stay home.

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Kyle Nie
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Kyle Nie

Because we have the right to not stay home. There is no law saying we have to stay home. Even I’m getting cabin fever because I haven’t been outside for months

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Ben Hanson
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Ben Hanson

Bc fuck the government Quarantine this dick fedbois This isn’t about a virus anymore it’s about control

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daniel carter
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daniel carter

We’re tired of staying inside so we go out and exercise so we don’t get fat

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anthony reyes
anthony reyes

You can exercise in ur home or backyard.

The buttery toster
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The buttery toster

They’d just fucking let them out of jail like they are for a bunch of criminals now

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Cringe Crewism 101
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Cringe Crewism 101

It goes against the right to assemble in the 1st amendment and violates article 1 of the 14th. The states which closed bars violates the 22 as well.

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anthony reyes
anthony reyes

It’s sad how entitled and self absorbed you are that you can’t cooperate for even a little amount of time to stop the spread and help save people’s lives.

Nate Dog
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Nate Dog

It would violate our rights. Per 14th amendment, with regards to Michigan taking clause from the 5th amendment comes into play.

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Driftforce YT
Driftforce YT

The government has the right to order all residents to stay home in a time of crisis. Unfortunately some people are to arrogant and self centered to obey gov orders and stay home

Paul Hammond
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Paul Hammond

It’s unconstitutional

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Austin Wills
Austin Wills

Once marshal law comes into play, that won’t matter

Noah Iglesias
0
Noah Iglesias

There is not enough space inside prisons as it is and they are not kept under great conditions. This would spread the virus more. Instead of arresting there could be a fine or warning.

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Nathan Trigo
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Nathan Trigo

People need there freedom if they aren’t infected,qaurintine is to prevent the infectious people from getting around slavery is to keep all in

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James Bond
James Bond

Quarantine is to prevent people from getting the virus. If all the “healthy” people go outside, a lot of them will get the virus unknowingly and spread it to all the other people

Nigera Willman
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Nigera Willman

A humans basic rights shouldn’t be taken or way or at least heavily regulated. It’s called freedom; people’s ignorance shouldn’t be the excuse for heavy government control over the lives of its people

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James Bond
James Bond

That “people’s ignorance” has lead to over 150,000 people dying so far. If people are allowed to go out, that will go to the millions

Jack Symington
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Jack Symington

4 words. The Bill Of Rights

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Cringe Crewism 101
Cringe Crewism 101

Mr James Bond, your death count numbers are wrong. In fact most deaths have been counted as though let’s say the person died really from cancer, but had covid in the background. That’s now a cov death

James Bond
James Bond

2 Words: Global Pandemic

wtf am i
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wtf am i

this is a country of freedom of we get arrested for being outside what next? they will arrest us for speaking out against the tyrannical government

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James Bond
James Bond

Going outside puts you, your family, and everyone else you go near at risk of death. It’s for the safety of humanity, not a method of control

Danny Sparks
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Danny Sparks

I don’t think it’s justified because you are well aware of the risk you’re taking, so punishing those who gather would just cause more fear in the public than anything else. Recommendation not control

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Sam Murphy
Sam Murphy

it’s not just a risk for people going out, it’s a public danger and people continue to do it. it would be great if ppl were smart enough to stay inside

Isaiah Remole
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Isaiah Remole

The first amendment (among other things) prohibits the gov. from preventing “the right of the people to peaceably assemble” I think its foolish to go out, but it’s not their job to make it illegal.

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Cringe Crewism 101
Cringe Crewism 101

James man, what if I had the flu and gave it to someone and they died. This happens to almost 40,000 Americans a year already and the economy continues. Flu is also one of those that kill the young.

James Bond
James Bond

If you “peacefully assemble”, you will get infected, infect others, and possibly be the cause of somebody’s death

Dylan Alves
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Dylan Alves

If people who have covid are arrested without being tested then people who are apart of the task force and their families and the people who are arrested Are likely to get covid they should be fined

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John Anderson
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John Anderson

Let people choose their safety. Imprisoning people for not staying home is pathetic. People will eventually have mental breakdowns and family problems. It’s better to advise rather than force.

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Nathan Cullen
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Nathan Cullen

I believe that some form of punishment for endangering the public health is good. However, arresting violators infringes upon rights of individual citizens more than it helps the common good.

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Ryan Krasowski
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Ryan Krasowski

That is the most ridiculous thing ever. Massive waste of police time and resources and money. Plus it is not possible to arrest them because by law, they have not committed any crime.

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Driftforce YT
Driftforce YT

They could be arrested for public endangerment

Robert Griffith
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Robert Griffith

Just a warning should suffice

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Driftforce YT
Driftforce YT

Some people don’t listen to warnings. A punishment needs to be in place for any violators of the stay at home order

Ben was here
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Ben was here

People need to be able to shop at the grocery or even eat out to still be able to put money into the economy so it won’t totally collapse they are just putting themselves at risk so just let them

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william hewitt
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william hewitt

People are entitled to what they want to do . The govt has too much control over people

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J Swan
0
J Swan

The government shouldn’t have the power to force people to stay inside or anything of that nature no matter the cost.

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Driftforce YT
Driftforce YT

That’s stupid, Stay at home orders are in place and the death toll is only rising. If there was no stay at home order, the death toll would be through the roof

ImpalaLord
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ImpalaLord

Freedom of assembly, as much as it sucks that people are breaking quarantine, it would be infringement upon a constitutional right to stop them

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oh worm
oh worm

Bruh lmao. The constitution doesnt mean anything in this situation because people’s lives are at risk. “ThE coNstiTuTioN sAys We HavE a RiGhT—“ such a selfish argument in a time like this

Gregory DeMayo
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Gregory DeMayo

The government cannot blame an individual for not staying home. How can we be expected to pay our bills when jobless? It would be easier to stay at home if we didn't have to worry about money.

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oh worm
oh worm

This poll is talking about people that ignore the government’s demands to stay home to have fun and do what they want. Going outside to make money or provide for your needs is excusable.

Joshua Youngerman
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Joshua Youngerman

Ok. Now I think if you were to throw a huge event with 20+ ppl. Then yah. But not if you are just going out and living your life

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oh worm
oh worm

Then why vote for this side

Adrian Funes
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Adrian Funes

Why would you charge someone for not staying home ? That’s like charging someone for exercising there right ? You can’t take a citizens rights

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oh worm
oh worm

going to social gatherings despite being told to stay home by the government is also an infringement of other people’s rights. By not staying home, you’re putting others at a large risk.

Andrew Cox
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Andrew Cox

People have to work in order to obtain money. If you can’t get money you can’t get food. That’s forced starvation

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oh worm
oh worm

Bruh they never said you cant go outside for food. You can’t go outside for fun is what it means. Social gatherings are a no-no.

Mitchell Fountain
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Mitchell Fountain

You can’t force someone to stay at home when they either need to make money, get food, etc. Especially if they aren’t an at risk person, they take the risk of getting corona or not

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NJTP 22
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NJTP 22

Arresting people usually doesn’t work. It just makes people angry so they will rebel and do it again. Fines for whoever held the party are a better idea

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Daniel C
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Daniel C

Yes, the right thing to do is to self quarantine. However, someone leaving there house when they aren’t supposed to is not grounds for arrest. Citizens should not be arrested for leaving there house.

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oh worm
oh worm

SEVERE violators. As in, people who go outside to party and have fun. Not people who go outside to get groceries.

Eugene Harold 'Armor Abs' Krabs
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Eugene Harold 'Armor Abs' Krabs

The government should not and does not have the right for arresting people who are expressing their freedom to assemble. The government should only put in place a strong recommendation to stay home.

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oh worm
oh worm

Assemblies infringe on other people’s rights in this type of situation. it puts other people in danger. I have the right to remain healthy and you being selfish & throwing a party infringes on that.

Do you feel like inflation is getting lower?

Do you feel like inflation is getting lower?

Yes

1

No

9

Yes

1 Comment
k san
0
k san

Because it IS getting lower.

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No

7 Comments
Renee
3
Renee

Saying inflation is getting lower is like saying that government is getting less corrupt. LOL

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Max DeYoung
3
Max DeYoung

No matter what MSM says, I will use my open eyes, and common sense to determine items of this nature. Inflation will not get better until we have a different leader for our country. The last four years have been horrible for America, and our allies.

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Fat Guy Outdoors
2
Fat Guy Outdoors

My bills have done nothing but increase and nest eggs have decreased.

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Max DeYoung
Max DeYoung

Fat Guy! Kamala says that's not inflation, It's Bidenomics. Now, do you feel the Joy? I haven't felt their Joy for the last four years, Pain, I have felt their Pain!

Steven Head
1
Steven Head

The damage is done. Even if it went to zero, prices are still 20-30% higher since 2021.

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Belinda Kitchen
1
Belinda Kitchen

Just look at the prices at the store. That should be enough to tell you that nothing has changed and won't till Harris and Biden gets out of there . Trump will lower everything. Trump has done more for the Hurricane victims then Biden and Harris has.

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Renee
Renee

What has he done? I haven't seen him do anything, but spread lies and run his mouth.

Latterdaysaint
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Latterdaysaint

It’s getting higher, but under trump it will go away

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Should e-bikes be allowed on forest trails?
KTVZ Asked by KTVZ
2,279 Votes

Should e-bikes be allowed on forest trails?

Yes

16

No

19

Yes

10 Comments
MATT FALKENSTEIN DDS
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MATT FALKENSTEIN DDS

Anyone who has pedaled a Class 1 ebike (the ONLY type in contention) quickly realizes two things: first, they don't go any faster than a meat-motor bike and second, they REQUIRE work from the rider.

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Todd Brown
2
Todd Brown

Yes,,Ebikes should be allowed on trails! Why wouldn't they be allowed? Mine has "Pedal Assist" which I am peddling at all times.

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Carl England
2
Carl England

Ya’ll need to understand. These are not the kids you see flying around town on throttle e-bikes. Mountain E bikes are quite expensive and are designed for mountain biking and for serious mountain bikers. Most of the people you will see on them initially will be people with disabilities.

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Dave Custer
2
Dave Custer

Let people ride whatever they want

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💛🖤 RAG 💛🖤
2
💛🖤 RAG 💛🖤

Class 1 electric assist bikes should not be discriminated against, they are capped at a max of 20mph, provide assistance to the people who for whatever reason need assistance to tackle parts of the trails and they won't do any damage to the trails. Other national forests provide access already!

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Linda C May
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Linda C May

I am 66 years old. I ride a ebike so I can get out on the trails & forests I love. Otherwise I couldn't. Not everyone is a speed junkie. There are many bike riders that speed and do damage to the land. Ebikes are here to stay. Stop penalizing them.

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Loretta Ryll
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Loretta Ryll

For many who have invisible disabilities, the Class I pedal-assisted e-mountain bikes, make it possible for these individuals to enjoy our forest single-track trails. They want to stay healthy and active. Class I ebikes are NOT the throttled ebikes we see zooming around the streets of Bend.

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Jim Petsche
0
Jim Petsche

They don't put any more damage to the trails than regular bikes and in many cases less. Generally they are ridden by older riders who go slower

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Duane Wyman
0
Duane Wyman

Not all trails are suitable or compatible for e-bikes and other users. What is next, e-bikes on the PCT or ridden to the summit Of South Sister...?

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Erik Thompson
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Erik Thompson

I am 62 and my e mtn bike allows me to ride trails I'd otherwise never ride.

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No

19 Comments
Peter McGann
4
Peter McGann

They are ridden frequently by inexperienced people. They have too much speed when approaching hikers. Many cannot stop adequately. Their silence is dangerous when approaching from behind. There should be drivers license requirements. Peter SNRA/ Ketchum pdmcgann@gmail.com

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True Omen
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True Omen

E bike owners are mad they bought into the hype before reading the rules. If it has a motor it is a motor bike. Not my fault you are lazy. Mtb'ing is hard. It is not for everyone.

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island er
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island er

Ebikes are motorized. They can already access forest roads and ohv trails. They are a hazard to mtbers on single track.

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Frank Dietsch
3
Frank Dietsch

They are motorized. I have been sprayed by dirt and gravel when the went flying by me at great speed and have seen them pop wheelies going up the steep trail. Motorized bikes belong on the many OHV trails.

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Dianne Price
CB
CB

Gatekeeping our public lands, eh? Pathetic.

Rick Allen
2
Rick Allen

It is a motorized Vehicle period.

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Rob Pempin
2
Rob Pempin

E-bikers need do to do their own footwork to obtain land for E-bike trails just as we have done for Mtn bikes for years now. The excessive speeds especially climbing & entitlement is out of control. Stop taking the soul out of MTB biking, do the footwork & obtain the land.

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Dennis Bennett
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Dennis Bennett

There are many ways to hack these ebikes and make them go over 20mph. https://www.ebicycles.com/how-to-make-your-ebike-faster/ Also, there will be no one to police the trails to make sure that on class 1 bikes are out there. For example, people illegally riding the trails with ebikes now.

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Mark Davis
2
Mark Davis

More power and speed will cause greater damage to the trails and create a dangerous situation for all users.

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Loretta Ryll
Loretta Ryll

I encourage you and many others to rent a Class I pedal-assist emountain bike and then form an informed opinion. These bikes are not throttled, can't go above 20 mph, are not noisy and provide those with invisible handicaps some assistance so they can enjoy the thrill of biking our forested trails.

Todd Miller
2
Todd Miller

It's a motorcycle with peddles. Internal combustion engine motorcycles aren't allowed either for the same good reason, erosion and safety of the mixed speed of riders and hikers.

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💛🖤 RAG 💛🖤
💛🖤 RAG 💛🖤

That's a lie, they have no throttle and are capped at a 20 mph no matter how hard you peddle! BTW damage to the trails is done by the speed demons on mountain bikes!!

Loretta Ryll
Loretta Ryll

Class I pedal-assist emountain bikes are not throttled so no internal combustion, they are capped at 20 mph. No pedaling =equals NO power. I encourage you to Google the descriptions of the various classes of ebikes.

Kimmy Wasatch
1
Kimmy Wasatch

There are more than enough parks and trails in and around Bend for ebikes. We do not need them in our forests. Forests are abused enough already and need to be reserved as forests.

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James Rosser
1
James Rosser

Because mountain biking is for exercise not tourism. There are plenty of other places to ride e-bikes.

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Geoff Freeland
1
Geoff Freeland

As ebikes get more powerful, they create trail damage. Might as well allow motorcycles if you're gonna allow ebikes.

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CB
CB

You obviously know nothing about class 1 ebikes and are just regurgitating nonsense you heard from an unreliable source.

Judith Van Gilder
1
Judith Van Gilder

These trails are mean for people who are out EXERCISING. There are plenty of FS roads where people with e-bikes can ride. Also available are plenty of dirt bike trails. Please leave these trails to those of us who are enjoying the peace and quiet.

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CB
CB

Judith, please educate yourself before commenting. Class 1 ebikes are pedal assist, they aren't tearing up the trails any more than a regular mountain bike. They help people with disabilities and the older generation enjoy the great outdoors. Stop gatekeeping our public lands.

Ed Drahos
0
Ed Drahos

Not a fan of more trash and junk strone all over national forest. There's a serious problem with waste as is, without making the problem worse.

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James Rosser
0
James Rosser

This misses the point of physical training which is to start exercising on easier trails and slowly build up to more challenging trails as one gets stronger. E-bikes are just a shortcut allowing one to jump to the more challenging trails without the proper training. People just want a magic pill.

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Gary Kayser
0
Gary Kayser

E-bike are indeed motorized. Cause more erosion to the trials. E-bikes are a death sentence to horseback riders.

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Jo Kendrick
0
Jo Kendrick

They run over people and scare pets.

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Gerald Smith
0
Gerald Smith

They are wrecks waiting to happen with no enforcement of any of the rules. They should be required to follow the same rules as motorcycles. That's what they are.

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